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  • #71
    Was Myers last concussion the one at the IIHF U20? I thought I remembered that one (behind Canada's net?) as a borderline late (he'd already dumped the puck back the other way?), but definitely jumped into by the smaller player(?).

    That said, how much does everyone's position as to what they would or wouldn't move for the third change in a situation where NJ picks someone either than Nolan or Nico and you can get those two with picks 2&3?

    As for how I value the D potential, I think for a while now I've viewed one of either Sanheim/Myers as the asset I'd reluctantly part with based on similar skillset/role, that hving to lose one still at least leaves the other.
    I think I view them, and in descending order, as: Prov. (all-facets stud); Sanheim/Myers (biggish, two-way with puck-rushing offense, and size that should be capable of solid defense); Gost. (undersized, highly offensive specialist & top powerplay); Morin (obviously huge big, but mean & can instill fear in others to not keep their head down; plus while not going to rush himself, can trigger rush with short passes and/or allow his partner to freely rush(!) because he can cover so much for his partner); and Hägg (no stand out pluses, no glaring weaknesses, general 4-6 option as needed).

    Another unknown for me in how to value them is what the future powerplay will look under Knoblauch with Mullin gone. Say Knoblauch wants two defensemen on each powerplay, so if e.g. Gost. and Prov. are both on PP1, the importance of another two more skilled defensemen for PP2 changes my view of how to value Sanheim/Myers.

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    • #72
      just putting it out there...would anyone be irked if we drafted Gabe Vilardi at #2?

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      • #73
        per Elite Prospects
        http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=286867

        A dangerous two-way center that stays poised, calm, and composed in all situations. Skates well for his size and has no issues getting into position. Individual puck skills are at an elite level and he is able to play a finesse role. Makes excellent decisions with the puck and showcases a well-rounded understanding of both the offensive and defensive game. Uses his size to his advantage and keeps the opposition guessing because he is able to do so many different things, including: taking it himself to the net and powering through, making a seeing-eye pass, or holding off to piggyback a possession play. He already plays a mature yet dynamic game, and that indicates success for a long time at higher levels. All-in-all, a dexterous 200-foot player that is a consistent threat every time he is on the ice. (Curtis Joe, EP 2017) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player....8eqUxac5.dpuf
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        • #74
          Sounds like an exciting player, but it would be hard to skip the top two. With all the predictions putting him at 3, if they really like him, it sounds like the only trade partner would be the stars, if they really like the top 2.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by swami24 View Post
            Sounds like an exciting player, but it would be hard to skip the top two. With all the predictions putting him at 3, if they really like him, it sounds like the only trade partner would be the stars, if they really like the top 2.

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            I think it would be really unusual to move just one spot. The Flyers would probably have to like Vilardi more than the remaining of Nico/Nolan. It's not impossible, but they'd be ignoring the almost universal view that Nico/Nolan are a level above any other forward, and that would probably only happen due to Nolan's injury history.

            There isn't anything illogical about Flyers from saying we'd rather have Vilardi and a 3rd round pick than Hischier and the Stars saying the opposite, but that doesn't seem to happen very often at the top of the draft
            "Oh, We got five. Ohhhhh."

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            • #76
              Originally posted by swami24 View Post
              Sounds like an exciting player, but it would be hard to skip the top two. With all the predictions putting him at 3, if they really like him, it sounds like the only trade partner would be the stars, if they really like the top 2.

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              well...how about this....Stars tell Hexy they want Patrick/Nico ..Flyers want Gabe but play hardball..and tell the Stars "We promise not to take them, but in return we'd like to trade you Andrew McDonald to clear salary...you can give us back a conditional pick..and pick whomever at #3"

              :-)
              Last edited by flyerdog; 06-11-2017, 07:17 AM.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by flyerdog View Post

                well...how about this....Stars tell Hexy they want Patrick/Nico ..Flyers want Gabe but play hardball..and tell the Stars "We promise not to take them, but in return we'd like to trade you Andrew McDonald to clear salary...you can give us back a conditional pick..and pick whomever at #3"

                :-)
                Do the Stars even have cap room to take MacD? Given they are carrying 3 Goalies..I am guessing they aren't looking to play cap hell.

                Could probably get them to take Read in that scenario
                Last edited by Rev_Bully; 06-11-2017, 09:19 AM.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by flyerdog View Post
                  just putting it out there...would anyone be irked if we drafted Gabe Vilardi at #2?
                  It would be more like a irk grenade - pull the pin and wait 3 years to see how the development has been going. I trust the Flyers scouts pretty well so I'd go along for the ride if they thought someone else outranked one of Nico/Nolan. But if we lost out on a really good pick for being too cute, I'd not be too thrilled.

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                  • #79
                    I haven't been researching the players as much as some of you. This is my thoughts when it comes to the draft and building for the future...

                    Take the best available sniper at the appropriate slot.

                    We have playmakers, we have future defense, we have future goalies.

                    I see a lack of snipers.


                    I want a sniper.

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                    • #80
                      Sniper is the most overused and undefined concept in hockey..

                      There are very few Brett Hulls in the NHL...at one point Fatty Phil Kessel looked like a sniper..

                      TJ Oshie gets called a sniper..but if that's the definition...we have 4 or 5..




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