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  • #81
    imo we should be trying to find our 1C of the future. yea good shooters are important but as far as the team of the future we need a 1C. I'm talking in 5 years when all the other prospects are mature.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by Rev_Bully View Post
      Sniper is the most overused and undefined concept in hockey..

      There are very few Brett Hulls in the NHL...at one point Fatty Phil Kessel looked like a sniper..

      TJ Oshie gets called a sniper..but if that's the definition...we have 4 or 5..




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      We have 4 or 5. Not sure I agree, sometimes G can bring it. Ghost maybe. Who else do you think is s sniper?

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      • #83
        Our snipers are great at hitting what I call the "zero hole." That means the logo in the middle of the goalies chest, where there is zero chance of going in.
        Last edited by swami24; 06-11-2017, 04:50 PM.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by RustySkates

          We have 4 or 5. Not sure I agree, sometimes G can bring it. Ghost maybe. Who else do you think is s sniper?
          You haven't defined what a sniper is to answer the question.

          If Oshie is a sniper..so are Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn.

          If you're looking for a Brett Hull type, Ovechkin is to old. Tarasenko ain't going anywhere.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by swami24
            Our snipers are great at hitting what I call the "zero hole." That means the logo in the middle of the goalies chest, where there is zero chance of going in.
            I think we'll have to look at the numbers

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            • #86
              Knowing you, you will be able to find a Stat sheet on goals scored after hitting the goalie's logo..

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              • #87
                Originally posted by Rev_Bully View Post

                You haven't defined what a sniper is to answer the question.

                If Oshie is a sniper..so are Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn.

                If you're looking for a Brett Hull type, Ovechkin is to old. Tarasenko ain't going anywhere.

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                Don't recall being asked, but I when I think of sniper, I think wrist shot...

                I think a sniper's wrist shot should be in the top 15-20% of the measured areas of speed, release and accuracy.

                So... quantifying based upon google and using Ovechkin as a model

                speed should around 75+ mph (Ovechkin is recorded at over 80 mph)
                release is under .38 seconds
                being able to hit a 8 inch target from 20 feet away at least 75% of the time.

                I'd be happy with with a few of them on the team.
                Last edited by RustySkates; 06-11-2017, 08:00 PM.

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                • #88
                  My definition of a snpier is someone who consistently finds twine with a bullet. There are not many of them anymore.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by RustySkates

                    Don't recall being asked, but I when I think of sniper, I think wrist shot...

                    I think a sniper's wrist shot should be in the top 15-20% of the measured areas of speed, release and accuracy.

                    So... quantifying based upon google and using Ovechkin as a model

                    speed should around 75+ mph (Ovechkin is recorded at over 80 mph)
                    release is under .38 seconds
                    being able to hit a 8 inch target from 20 feet away at least 75% of the time.

                    I'd be happy with with a few of them on the team.
                    Me too...but I'm betting there are only a few of those in the league..

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                    • #90
                      Swiss centre Nico Hischier of the Halifax Mooseheads is No. 1 on TSN's Final 2017 NHL Draft Ranking.

                      That statement is made without adornment to underscore the simple news value – it’s the first time this season Hischier has been ranked ahead of Brandon Wheat King centre Nolan Patrick, who was No. 1 on TSN's preseason ranking in September; No. 1 on TSN's midseason ranking in early February; and No. 1 on TSN's draft lottery edition ranking in late April.

                      Patrick is No. 2 on TSN’s final ranking.

                      The TSN ranking represents a consensus opinion – based on a survey of 10 NHL team scouts – of where prospects are most likely to be chosen in the draft, which goes Friday (Round 1) and Saturday (Rounds 2-7) at the United Centre in Chicago.

                      Of the 10 NHL scouts surveyed for TSN's final set of ranking, five slotted Hischier as the top prospect in the draft; four designated Patrick as No. 1. One scout named defenceman Cale Makar of the Alberta Junior Hockey League's Brooks Bandits as the premier prospect, the first time this season someone other than Hischier or Patrick received a No. 1 vote.

                      Makar may be the most intriguing prospect in this year’s draft, but more on that in a moment.

                      The truth of the matter is that there really isn't much separating Hischier and Patrick and there hasn't been for the last few months. That certainly wasn't the case at season's start.

                      Patrick was the unanimous No. 1 prospect on TSN preseason ranking and Hischier wasn't in Top 15, just missing out at No. 16. But by midseason – after Hischier starred for Switzerland at the World Junior Championship while Patrick continued to be dogged by injury and inactivity – Hischier began chipping away at Patrick’s lead, winning over two of the 10 scouts.

                      By the draft lottery edition rankings in late April, it was virtual dead heat *– five votes for Patrick and five votes for Hischier. In fact, to break the tie, TSN had to survey 23 scouts, with Patrick ultimately getting the nod, 12-11.

                      In TSN's final ranking, though, the arrival of an interloper – the flashy Junior A offensive defenceman Makar – contributed to Hischier being alone at the top.
















                      TSN Hockey Draft Profile: Nico Hischier
                      TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button provides his final report on 2017 NHL Draft Prospect Nico Hischier.


                      It's an unprecedented rise for Hischier.

                      "I think the big turning point was the [2017] World Junior Championship," said one scout of Hischier's meteoric rise to No. 1. "As a draft eligible player, he was as dangerous as any player in the tournament and against the toughest competition any prospect faces. That's when the notion of him [passing Patrick] became a consideration."

                      Hischier scored four goals and seven points in five WJC games for Switzerland, to go with 38 goals and 86 points in 57 regular season games for Halifax.

                      For the five scouts who didn't have Hischier at No. 1, each had him No. 2.

                      "Hischier is a more dynamic player than Patrick," said a scout who had the Swiss centre on top. "He plays with more energy, more intensity and at a faster pace."

                      Hischier weighed in at 179 pounds at the NHL Combine in Buffalo – 20 pounds lighter than the 6-foot-2 Patrick – but Hischier is just a shade under 6-foot-2 and scouts feel he has a frame that will fill out. Size doesn't appear to be an issue, though it's obvious he's not as physically developed as Patrick, who is only three-and-a-half months older than Hischier, though the former missed being eligible for last year's entry draft by a mere four days.

                      Patrick’s cause wasn't helped by the fact he battled injuries all season. He underwent sports hernia surgery last summer and while he was able to rehab in time to start the WHL season, he only played a handful of games before soft-tissue issues with the other side of his groin cost him a large chunk of the season. He only played 33 of the WHL's 72 games and suffered a late-season upper body injury that took him out of the Wheat Kings’ playoff games.
















                      TSN Hockey Draft Profile: Nolan Patrick
                      TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button provides his final report on 2017 NHL Draft Prospect Nolan Patrick.


                      Yet many scouts said they weren't overly concerned with the injuries and they didn't factor significantly into his No. 2 status or being so close to remaining No. 1.

                      "He was so good [in 2015-16] in what could have been his draft year if not for the sake of a few days," said one scout who ranked Patrick No. 1. "He's a big, pro-style centre. He's not as flashy or as quick [as Hischier] but his size and skill will play well at the next level."

                      Patrick collected 41 goals and 102 points in 72 regular season games in 2015-16 and followed up with 13 goals and 30 points in 21 playoff games to earn WHL playoff MVP honours.

                      In addition to five first-place votes, Patrick received four second-place ballots and, from the scout who ranked Makar No. 1, one third-place tally.

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