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  • #11
    Not for a veteran D. And there's no point in losing some of his value to get the amac contract off our hands as we covered in other threads. Also retaining salary negates the only positive effect of loosing AMac.

    2nd line wingers aren't too hard to find, so I'm fine with trading him if we get a young goalie we really believe in or young forwards with upsides. However it's not going to be terribly easy to find that trade I think. He's not that useful a piece for a contender because he needs PP time to score (which they generally already have allocated), doesn't provide great 2-way play, but is paid appropriately for his numbers. Gotta be a partner who just needs pp scoring and a forward to round out their top 6. Maybe more like a bubble team trying to get in the playoffs.

    He's also TOO good to expect anyone else in our lineup to just jump up into that PP position and put up the same numbers. He has exceptional hands inside 10 feet. 25g-30a aint nothing to sneeze at. No reason to trade him unless we're getting something significant back.

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    • #12
      To be fair eating 2m for the next 3 years is a better cap situation than holding AMac or buying AMac out at any point or burrying him

      The only better option than retaining some cap hit is trading the full cap hit.

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      • #13
        well..there goes Schenn

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        • #14
          Had a feeling he would move...not sure I like lehtera...but the picks are great

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          • #15
            Morgan Frost

            http://thehockeywriters.com/morgan-f...spect-profile/
            Morgan Frost

            2016-17 Team: Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (#16)
            Date of Birth: May 14, 1999
            Place of Birth: Barrie, Ontario
            Ht: 6’0” Wt: 170 lbs
            Shoots: Left
            Position: C
            NHL Draft Eligibility: 2017 first-year eligible
            Twitter: @_morganfrost_10 Rankings

            • THW Alternate Rankings: 57th (January)
            • Future Considerations: 49th (Spring)
            • Bob McKenzie: 35th (Mid-season)
            • Craig Button: 41st (March)

            The more draft profiles we do, the more we’ve noticed a theme especially in the Ontario Hockey League this season. Players who start way back on draft lists have excellent seasons to put themselves on the map. Like his teammate Conor Timmins, Morgan Frost certainly did that.

            After scoring seven goals and 27 points in his rookie season, Frost played a bigger role this season centering a line with speedster Zach Senyshyn. Frost turned in a season of 20-42-62 in 67 games while adding 2-6-8 in 11 playoff games. You could see the confidence in Frost’s game early on.

            The thing that stands out about Frost on tape and in person is how smart he is. He’s got a knack of seeing a play one to two steps ahead of everyone else. He can put the puck in places for his teammates to make plays. Even if a play doesn’t work, Frost is relentless and can force second and third chances by creating turnovers.

            Morgan Frost enjoyed a nice breakout season in 2016-17. (Terry Wilson / OHL Images)

            The thing that pleasantly surprised me about Frost this season was improvement in his skating. His acceleration is vastly improved. This has helped take his game to another level, especially on the power play. Eight of his 20 goals this season came on the man advantage. He can use his speed to create chances and isn’t afraid to make his own plays if the opportunity presents itself.

            Frost has also improved in the faceoff circle. He went from 47.5% in his rookie season to 53.1% this past season. He does need strength for the next level as do most players at this stage. He also needs more deception in his game. He has an underrated shot, but doesn’t use it enough. Teams have caught on to this and aggressively play pass on him. I can’t wait to see his development once he incorporates his shot more. In the right situation, Frost has intriguing upside at the next level. NHL Draft Projection

            Most seem to think Frost will go sometime in the second round. I’m right there with the industry. Frost is 40th on my personal list. Those who don’t take a center early will take a long look at Frost especially given his playmaking ability. I don’t see him slipping outside the top-50. Quotables

            “I thought Frost was a nice story last year. The son of a famous PA Announcer playing OHL hockey. I did not think more of him. Then he showed the work ethic, skill set and a little bit of a jam to really differentiate himself as a player on an outstanding team. A bit of a sleeper. I don’t think he gets drafted 1st round, but is great value in the 2nd round. And yes, you can see elements of his dad Andy’s voice when he talks!” -Steve Clark

            “Frost has the ability to score in a multitude of ways and that versatility has allowed him to work his way up the depth chart on a very deep Greyhounds team. His strong play helped the team overcome the loss of Blake Speers early in the season. He has a great shot and an ability to find open spaces on the ice that has allowed him to thrive on the power play. At times he has played the point on the power play for the Hounds this year only to come up with a great defensive play to prevent a short handed opportunity. Can affect the game even when he isn’t scoring and has the upside of a 2nd line scoring winger at the next level.” -Peter Kneulman

            “Frost, like (MacKenzie) Entwistle, has also been a favourite of mine among this crop of OHL prospects. He isn’t blessed with the physical skills that Entwistle has been, but there are a lot of things to like about his game. He has the speed and agility you like to see in smaller/average sized centers. He also really processes the game well. Right now, his game is most noticeable on the powerplay where he makes such quick decisions with the puck and is fearless in using his speed to attack open lanes in the defense. And despite lacking in the strength department, Frost does a good job as a defensive player and faceoff man. Once he gets stronger, I think you’ll see his production really increase. Thought he played very well in the playoffs, and finished the season off quite well. One thing that could also really benefit his game is improving his shot. Needs to get more velocity behind it and keep defenders guessing, preventing them from playing the pass off the rush. But I really like Frost’s potential as a two-way top 6 center at the NHL level. Think David Krejci, Vincent Trocheck.” -Brock Otten
            Statistics

            Strengths

            • Good skater, great acceleration.
            • Vastly improved at faceoffs.
            • Smart and decisive.
            • Excellent passer.
            Under Construction (Improvements to Make)

            • Needs more strength.
            • Needs to shoot more.

            NHL Potential

            Frost projects as a middle-six center with second-line upside. He has a lot of Alexander Wennberg in him. Though not as dynamic as Wennberg, Frost’s smarts and playmaking ability have a place at the next level. He likely starts as a winger but could transition to center once he gets more strength.

            Risk-Reward Analysis

            Risk – 3.5/5, Reward – 4/5

            Fantasy Hockey Potential

            Offence – 7.5/10, Defense – 7/10 Awards/Achievements

            Morgan Frost is the son of former Toronto Maple Leafs’ public address announcer Andy Frost.
            Last edited by Rev_Bully; 06-23-2017, 10:52 PM.

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            • #16
              Not sure I'm digging Schenn trade.


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              • #17
                Lehtera is a pretty hefty cap hit for a not great player. Frost isn't someone I would have seen going in the first, especially with some of the players on the board. Blues' 2018 pick is top 10 protected and can be deferred to 2019 (with the addition of a 2020 third).

                Schenn was going to be expendable long-term, but I don't think I like this trade for us.

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                • #18
                  2018 draft is expected to be strong...Flyers clearly wanted youth...

                  I don;t like Lehtera but he or Filp may be flippable. I like getting 2 firsts for Schenn...

                  Just interviewed Frost...said Flyers had been talking to him all year and had a feeling he'd be in Philly...

                  they see something they like...

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                  • #19
                    so schenn and a salary dump for 2 1sts... as we covered our cap situation for the next two years isn't a big deal. However blues' first isn't likely to be worth much. Something like a #27 and #20 probably? Would have liked to have waited for a better deal, but its not horrible. Its the right idea, recycle the older forwards for youth while our blue chip D matures. However I feel like its unlikely we'll ever replace schenn's production with those two picks.

                    Good thing we have Weal to just slide right into schenn's spot guess everyone was right...

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Pit View Post
                      Lehtera is a pretty hefty cap hit for a not great player. Frost isn't someone I would have seen going in the first, especially with some of the players on the board. Blues' 2018 pick is top 10 protected and can be deferred to 2019 (with the addition of a 2020 third).

                      Schenn was going to be expendable long-term, but I don't think I like this trade for us.
                      Not much cap savings (about 500k), but getting a minimum of 2 firsts (and maybe an additional third in 2020) for Schenn is good value. I would have rather received Ryan Reaves in return...I certainly don't like him going to the Pens!

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