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  • Rev_Bully
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    Food for thought (The Process)

    I've been pondering this for a few hours, not sure what if anything is there...but curious for opinions...

    In 2016-17:

    The Toronto Maple Leafs finished 14th with 40 wins and 95 points, and the second wild card in the East. They played 6 Playoff games.

    The Philadelphia Flyers finished 19th with 39 wins and 88 points, they DNQd for the playoffs and landed he 2nd overall pick.


    How much better are the Maple Leafs for those 6 playoff games? Would finishing with 6 fewer points and landing Nolan Patrick had been a better end result for their 2016-17 season?

    The Washington Caps won the presidents trophy and again underachieved in the playoffs. The 16th ranked Predators made it to the Finals? Can both 'playing to win' and 'just make the playoffs' exist in the same breath? In the same organizational credo?

    Because what tends to happen in Philly is we here early that the team is built to 'try and win games" that's the reason for being squeamish on youth...and then in February it shifts to needing to rely on vets to 'just try and get in" because anything can happen..problem of course being..no one is confusing the Flyers roster for the LA Kings or the Predators of recent cinderella runs

    Like wise, Chicago, Columbus, Minnesota three more of the top 5 teams last year...failed to deliver a meaningful playoff performance..

    Is there a benefit to chasing wins? Is there a benefit to the "anything can happen" idea of scraping into the playoffs? Did the Flyers not prove that literally anything can hppen by taking home the #2 pick? Would they have been better served limping into the playoffs instead of landing Patrick?

    If the justification for playing borderline vets is the idea that 'wins matter' why doesn't it materialize for the Caps? the Sharks? the Blues?

    What matters, is putting your best players on the ice and letting them play. Letting them learn. And making the best of the end result.

    I'm betting there are 14 teams that made the playoffs last year that would have been just as happy to finish 19th and land Nolan Patrick....the Pens and Preds excluded...because losing in the finals for the Preds was a huge step forward for hockey in a nontraditional market..and because...Pittsburgh won a 5th cup...

    ...does anyone think the current Flyers front office would have trusted Matt Murray the way the Pens have?

    Like I said this is a bit of a ramble...so looking for thoughts and opinions...
    Last edited by Rev_Bully; 10-08-2017, 01:20 PM.

  • alxhj
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    What matters, is putting your best players on the ice and letting them play. Letting them learn. And making the best of the end result.
    Totally agree, which is why I think Morin Should be playing

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    .does anyone think the current Flyers front office would have trusted Matt Murray the way the Pens have?
    In a wortd, No

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  • Vedder
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    “There’s going to be hiccups. There’s going to be mistakes made by every player, and most certainly young players,” coach Dave Hakstol said. “Those guys have to know and have the confidence … that they’re going to continue to get opportunities. Does that mean they’re going to get an opportunity the very next night or the very next shift? Not always.”

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  • toothless joe
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    Haag is an NHL player. I haven't seen anything to tell me otherwise. No knocks against Morin. He belongs as well. I think someone hit the nail on the head when they spoke of pairings. do we get rid of Gudas or make him the 7th for awhile?

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  • phillymac14
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    It's laughable and absurd that Haag is somehow ahead of Morin. It makes me want to puke and I don't care how "safe" Haag is or what great "structure" he plays with.

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  • krash
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    I think we just need to believe what Hakstol says when it comes to Morin & Sanheim. It has more to do with matchups than anything.

    They like Provorov-MacDonald together. They like Hagg skating with Ghost, and they like Sanheim with Gudas.

    They probably don't prefer skating Hagg or Morin with Gudas. They'd rather have Sanheim skate with Gudas because of the complimentary styles.

    It's not really about whether Morin is behind Sanheim; it's more about the right combinations.

    I think the logical conclusion will ultimately be that Morin will replace Gudas. Morin is a big physical presence like Gudas and would actually pair up well with Sanheim. I think that's how this will play out. Plus, if there are any injuries, then that will throw everything up in the air anyway...


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  • clumsysnake
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    Originally posted by Pit View Post
    On the plus side, I'm glad they didn't yank Sanheim after one rough game. Not that I don't want to see Morin get a shot, but I also didn't want them to resort to the "make a mistake and you're scratched" mentality either. Ping-ponging rookies in and out of the lineup like that isn't helpful.
    yea they almost HAD to play him the next game, no matter what they originally intended.

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  • Pit
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    Since there is an inconceivable crush on MacD from management/coaching, I can't see Morin getting playing time without an injury hitting someone. I think he should be with the Phantoms and at least getting some ice time. I'm not sure what he didn't show in pre-season to draw an opportunity, but whatever it was, there is no sense having him in this situation.

    On the plus side, I'm glad they didn't yank Sanheim after one rough game. Not that I don't want to see Morin get a shot, but I also didn't want them to resort to the "make a mistake and you're scratched" mentality either. Ping-ponging rookies in and out of the lineup like that isn't helpful.

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  • irvdog
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    Originally posted by Rev_Bully View Post

    I don't think I have all the answers...but this season has been fun already for me...two things I've taken shit for on this board for years have come to fruition..

    Vegas has a team....and Giroux is playing wing..

    Kinda weird that disagreeing with your take makes me a know-it-all...sorry for speaking out of turn, sir.


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    Feel free to remove the hook any time now. I just felt the need to say relax....we are 3 games in.....all things in time....and many ways to skin a cat.

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  • Rev_Bully
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    Originally posted by irvdog

    I get it you like big men. No need to apologize. FFS Rev we know you know all and understand all that ails the organization and many of the world's mysteries. We are three games in. They are playing well and that's really nice to see. Sam will get his cup of coffee eventually and you will have that all important moment of getting to watch the big kid do his majic.
    I don't think I have all the answers...but this season has been fun already for me...two things I've taken shit for on this board for years have come to fruition..

    Vegas has a team....and Giroux is playing wing..

    Kinda weird that disagreeing with your take makes me a know-it-all...sorry for speaking out of turn, sir.


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