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  • #31
    Just to clarify ... My argument around Hakstol not playing Morin only applies to when Morin was actually on the roster. And that's two separate stretches now where he had a chance to play Morin but chose to play Manning instead. I feel that him not playing Morin when he was on the Roster influences Hextall's decision about call ups. I could be wrong about that but it seems logical to me. But I of course cannot fault Hakstol for not playing Morin when Morin was in the AHL.

    I can fault him for the general soft style of play, lack of energy, personnel choices at crucial times, not understanding the new video review rule, etc.

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    • #32


      Originally posted by phillymac14
      I can fault him for the general soft style of play, lack of energy, personnel choices at crucial times, not understanding the new video review rule, etc.
      Heh, I've felt that way since Laviolette couldn't find a spot for Carcillo.

      If I were running things.. Goulborne would have a spot on the 4th line..Lehtera would be somewhere else with a pick to make it happen (really should have been part of the original deal)...Weisse would be in the AHL..Morin would have made the team out of camp..and Manning would be sent down.

      And Gudas would be moved the day his suspension was up..I love his style but his decision making is a killer.

      In short I'd take the pieces away from the coach that I didn't want him to play with. That the current GM hasn't taken pieces away implies he is ok with those pieces (looking at you Weisse)


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      • #33
        Originally posted by Rev_Bully View Post



        Heh, I've felt that way since Laviolette couldn't find a spot for Carcillo.

        If I were running things.. Goulborne would have a spot on the 4th line..Lehtera would be somewhere else with a pick to make it happen (really should have been part of the original deal)...Weisse would be in the AHL..Morin would have made the team out of camp..and Manning would be sent down.

        And Gudas would be moved the day his suspension was up..I love his style but his decision making is a killer.

        In short I'd take the pieces away from the coach that I didn't want him to play with. That the current GM hasn't taken pieces away implies he is ok with those pieces (looking at you Weisse)


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        I agree with all that. I also miss Laviolette. He was the best coach the team has had in a long time.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by phillymac14

          I agree with all that. I also miss Laviolette. He was the best coach the team has had in a long time.
          Stevens was the best coach this team had in the last decade. Inherited a mess, then a totally overhauled roster he got to the ECFs while losing his Timmonen and Coburn. His special teams were top 10 consistently...and the year he was replaced by Lavy..his team had a winning record...and played more his system than Laviolette's... Lavy never maintained..

          That said..I'd rather Lavy than Berube or Hitchcock.

          Bigger problem is neither Lappy nor nes guy Knobby are making waves in their areas. If Hakstol goes..you either force a coach to keep at least Knobby..or give Knobby the job (Hakstol redux??)

          ...and if you're forcing a coach to keep assistant coach(es) we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

          Either stay the course or clean house...half measures aren't going to solve anything..


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          • #35
            Yeah if they go the route of firing Hak I hope they send all of the assistant coaches packing with him. Isn't Sutter available? He'd be at the top of my list, however, he had a big, fast team in LA. The Flyers might be fast (or so they looked at the beginning of the season) but they're not big.

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            • #36
              I think you have to have an interim coach and then step back and figure out organizationaly what the plan is and hire a new guy for 2018 and let him select his assistants.

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              • #37
                Fire Hakstol, hire Hartley, let him continue the development of this team. I guarantee you the team would play a better style of hockey.
                Pieces are in place for the future. We still need a top pairing defenseman and a scoring winger. Doesn't look like we are going to get anything from Free Agency or a trade due to our cap limitations. Development years ahead.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Rev_Bully View Post



                  Heh, I've felt that way since Laviolette couldn't find a spot for Carcillo.

                  If I were running things.. Goulborne would have a spot on the 4th line..Lehtera would be somewhere else with a pick to make it happen (really should have been part of the original deal)...Weisse would be in the AHL..Morin would have made the team out of camp..and Manning would be sent down.

                  And Gudas would be moved the day his suspension was up..I love his style but his decision making is a killer.

                  In short I'd take the pieces away from the coach that I didn't want him to play with. That the current GM hasn't taken pieces away implies he is ok with those pieces (looking at you Weisse)


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                  I love Gudas, but he's become a liability like Rinaldo was at this stage. Morin I think is probably smart enough to fill his spot. Doesn't have the skill yet, but he is probably a better decision maker. One thing for sure, I do send Gudas out west so he doesn't do damage to us.

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                  • #39
                    I read things many years ago that Hartley was not very good with younger players and I witnessed some of that first hand when he coached the Thrashers in Atlanta. Not really keen on someone not good at developing players coaching the team.

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                    • #40
                      Recent TSN article:

                      From up-and-coming go-getters to coaches who have been around the block once or twice, here’s a look at 13 potential NHL head coaching candidates (in alphabetical order):

                      DAN BYLSMA

                      Current role: NHL Network studio analyst

                      Age: 47

                      NHL record: 320-190-55 (.615)

                      Scoop: Few would describe Bylsma’s two-season tenure in Buffalo as competitive. But what will forever make him an interesting midseason candidate is that magical 18-3-4 run in 2009 with the Penguins that ultimately resulted in a Stanley Cup parade – magic that Bylsma was unable to duplicate in Pittsburgh or Buffalo. He remains one of the NHL’s winningest regular season coaches.

                      JACK CAPUANO

                      Current role: Florida Panthers associate coach

                      Age: 51

                      NHL record: 227-192-64 (.536)

                      Scoop: The second-longest tenured coach in Islanders history is now helping Boughner get adjusted to life behind an NHL bench in Florida. Capuano’s Islanders won just one playoff round in parts of seven seasons, but he remains well-respected for his consistent, methodical, process-driven approach.

                      BOB HARTLEY

                      Current role: Free agent

                      Age: 57

                      NHL record: 463-361-110 (.554)

                      Scoop: Hartley’s credentials can’t be questioned. He’s won at almost every level – Stanley Cup, Calder Cup, QMJHL, even the Swiss National A championship in 2012. But he was just a year removed from the 2015 Jack Adams Award as the NHL’s coach of the year when he was fired in Calgary. At the time, GM Brad Treliving said Hartley took the Flames “as far as I feel he can take it.”

                      SHELDON KEEFE

                      Current role: Toronto Marlies (AHL) head coach

                      Age: 37

                      NHL record: 0-0-0

                      Scoop: Keefe is widely regarded as the next “up-and-comer” coach from the AHL. He has racked up a 96-45-11 record, winning three playoff rounds in two seasons, after cutting his teeth with the OHL’s Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. The one problem for Toronto is that Keefe will likely make an NHL impact elsewhere, with Mike Babcock not going anywhere anytime soon. Other flourishing AHL coaches without NHL experience include Rocky Thompson, Benoit Groulx and Mike Van Ryn.

                      JIM MONTGOMERY

                      Current role: Denver University (NCAA) head coach

                      Age: 48

                      NHL record: 0-0-0

                      Scoop: Montgomery was a finalist for the Panthers’ opening last summer that went to Bob Boughner. He withdrew his name from consideration after also speaking to the Kings, earning a sweetened contract at Denver, where his team remains ranked No. 1 after capturing the NCAA title last April. It won’t be long before Montgomery’s flirtation with the NHL heats up again.

                      KIRK MULLER

                      Current role: Montreal Canadiens associate coach

                      Age: 51

                      NHL record: 80-80-27 (.500)

                      Scoop: Muller remains the last coach to jump organizations midseason, leaving his post as the AHL Milwaukee Admirals’ head coach to become the Carolina Hurricanes’ bench boss in 2011-12. It doesn’t happen often. Muller got only one full 82-game season with the Canes. He then spent two seasons as an assistant under Ken Hitchcock in St. Louis before rejoining the Canadiens in 2016. Muller is atop many short lists to get a second crack at an NHL head job.

                      TODD NELSON

                      Current role: Grand Rapids Griffins (AHL) head coach

                      Age: 48

                      NHL record: 17-25-9 (.422)

                      Scoop: Nelson guided the Griffins to their second Calder Cup title in franchise history last spring, becoming the third person to win it as a player, assistant and head coach. He was then granted permission to interview with the Coyotes, but with Red Wings coach Jeff Blashill reportedly on the hot seat this season, a promotion from AHL to NHL could potentially be in order. Nelson coached the Oilers under an interim tag in 2014-15, replacing Dallas Eakins, but he was discarded in favour of Todd McLellan when GM Peter Chiarelli arrived after that season.

                      ADAM OATES

                      Current role: Individual skills coach

                      Age: 55

                      NHL record: 65-48-17 (.565)

                      Scoop: Since 2015, when Oates finished off the New Jersey Devils season as co-coach with Scott Stevens, he has been acting as an individual skills coach to more than 50 NHL players – from stars like Mark Scheifele, Steven Stamkos and Ryan Suter, to the rank-and-file. His lone full season with the Capitals remains the only one over the last decade that Washington failed to make the playoffs, but would a GM be willing to take a flier on Oates if he thinks a special relationship with one of his stars could ignite the team?

                      DAVID QUINN

                      Current role: Boston University (NCAA) head coach

                      Age: 51

                      NHL record: 0-0-0

                      Scoop: As one of only two men to lead BU since 1973, Quinn has as comfortable and prominent a role as any coach not in the NHL. He also remains an intriguing NHL candidate, with three seasons of AHL experience and one year on the Colorado Avalanche bench as an assistant under Joe Sacco, checking all of the necessary boxes.

                      LINDY RUFF

                      Current role: New York Rangers assistant coach

                      Age: 57

                      NHL record: 736-554-203 (.561)

                      Scoop: After a run of 19 consecutive seasons as an NHL head coach, Ruff is running the Rangers’ defence. His decision to jump back in so quickly raised eyebrows around the NHL, but the former Rangers defenceman might be an ideal interim candidate if GM Jeff Gorton decides to pull the plug on Vigneault, along with associate coach Scott Arniel.

                      DARRYL SUTTER

                      Current role: Under contract with Kings through 2017-18

                      Age: 59

                      NHL record: 634-467-184 (.565)

                      Scoop: Two Stanley Cups in parts of six seasons were not enough to save Sutter’s job after missing the playoffs in two of the last three. Sutter was fired on April 10 when the Kings cleaned house. Their rejuvenated start (9-2-1) under John Stevens with largely the same roster probably doesn’t help the noted curmudgeon’s case.

                      MICHEL THERRIEN

                      Current role: Montreal Canadiens scout

                      Age: 53

                      NHL record: 406-303-105 (.563)

                      Scoop: Fired last February from his second tour of duty with the Habs, Therrien turned heads last month when he said he’d stick with the team in a scouting role this season. He’s under contract with the Canadiens through next season (2018-19), but this hockey lifer would undoubtedly like another crack somewhere.

                      DAVE TIPPETT

                      Current role: Free agent

                      Age: 56

                      NHL record: 553-413-148 (.563)

                      Scoop: For the first time in 16 years, Tippett isn’t behind an NHL bench. He “mutually” parted ways with the Coyotes in June after an eight-year run in the desert, which included a lump-sum buyout of his contract. Tippett is reportedly eager to get back in the game, but he’s never been a midseason replacement in the NHL.


                      You can probably add Marc Crawford to that list as well. Assistant with Ottawa right now....

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