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    So let's make people uncomfortable. Dave Hakstol isn't a bad coach; that doesn't mean he should continue as the Flyers coach.

    Hakstol has a regular season record of 122-86-38, in 246 games, for a win% of .573 that puts him solidly in the company of a coach he's nothing like, Peter Laviolette who sports a record of 145-98-29, in 272 games, for a win% of .586.
    The two coaches are opposites in many ways, not the least of which is the team they took over. Laviolette inherited a team in the midst of a fast retool, having just added Chris Pronger in the off season. Hakstol's roster is bouyed by the addition of #2 overall pick Nolan Patrick in year 3 and has been reliant on the development of young Dmen Gostisbehere and Provorov and forward Konecny.

    Laviolette is fiery, Hakstol nearing comatose. Laviolette took over a team that had been to the ECFs two years prior. Hakstol a team that had scrapped it's former GM and settled on a slow process of rebuilding the development line.

    Hakstol has used a slow and determined development process, bringing along young players in mind-numbing fashion. Fans want players sprung loose and Hakstol holds a short leash. This has created some of Hakstol's problem. There's a belief that just turning the kids loose would result in greater results, because looking good with 8 minutes of ice surely means looking great with twice the opportunity and 16 minutes of ice. It's the confusion of opportunity and success, a blurring of the line between what projection does and how it's perceived.

    Hakstol veterans, hold overs from Laviolette's run, including Giroux and Voracek continue a disheartening streak of failing to show up in the playoffs. This also creates friction between Hakstol and the fanbase. He's not firing guys up, he's not motivating.

    Worth noting at this point, Claude Giroux has 2 points in 10 playoff games under Hakstol. Voracek has 3 in 10 games. Simmonds has 3 in 10. MacDonald, 2 in 10. Raffl, 2 in 10. That's not getting a lot out of your veteran core..

    Interestingly, the 25 and under set on this roster on the roster has a different response. Couturier has 3 points in 4 games, Gostisbehere has 3 points in 10 games, Nolan Patrick has 2 points in 4 games, Provorov, 2 in 4. Konecny and Sanheim each 1 in 4.

    This begs a bit of a different question, is Dave Hakstol the wrong coach for the team, or the veteran core? Don't answer.

    Giroux and Voracek enjoyed career years under Hakstol this season. MacDonald his best point production as a Flyer. Raffl's career year came in Hakstol's first season as coach. Simmonds likewise tied his career best production in Hakstol's first season, in 1 fewer game played. In fact 2 of Simmonds's top 3 production years have happened under Hakstol.

    Dave Hakstol isn't a bad coach. Complaints about his adjustments, timeout usage, lines. They're common to every coach in professional sports. There is no perfect coach and that's the glory of being a fan, we can sit back and say 'I knew he shoulda' no matter what. There will never be a coach that everyone agrees with all of the time.

    The Flyers haven't had a truly dominant and succesful string of coaches since Quinn/McCammon/Keenan in the 1980s...all three were loved and hated, some times simultaneously.

    Worse yet is there's no Keenan in the minors lurking like a Shero in the rough...some will say Sheldon Keefe, it's the direction I'd lean over far more established/entrenched NHL thinkers but like Hakstol, or the shiny Knoblauch the Flyers hired and has stagnated as an assitant, Sheldon Keefe could disappoint...hopefully not as much Dallas Eakins did Ednmonton.

    so, what do you do? Who's gonna fix things and "do it right?"

    it's a tougher question than many realize.
    Last edited by Rev_Bully; 04-19-2018, 09:03 PM.

  • #2
    Hakstol has removed all emotional components from his team, something most teams rely on at this time of the year. And I don't think that is by chance...I sense that he doesn't believe that emotions impact the performance/success of teams.

    I'm sick and tired of seeing a coach who shows no emotions...be it positive or negative...and I am hopeful he is digging his own grave this playoff season (so while we lose...we actually win).

    That being said, I do hope that Hexy unloads one or two big names and goes aggressive for Tavares. Trade Jake and Simmer to western teams...acquire young talent. Then take the cap savings and bring in Tavares.

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    • #3
      Is it so much the Coach or the org in general? This is a team that can be so uninspired itís aggravating. Going back to the OCC itís allowing players to be unaccountable. Like Buffalo accepting losing every night to the Oilers having a losing mentality, this organization seems okay with it. The Golden Knights are full of hungry players not prima donnas. I like watching the Juniors because they play hard every shift. I donít mind losing but sometimes itís the way we lose.
      Pieces are in place for the future. We still need a top pairing defenseman and a scoring winger. Doesn't look like we are going to get anything from Free Agency or a trade due to our cap limitations. Development years ahead.

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      • #4
        I think Sutter could fix this real fast.
        Pieces are in place for the future. We still need a top pairing defenseman and a scoring winger. Doesn't look like we are going to get anything from Free Agency or a trade due to our cap limitations. Development years ahead.

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        • #5
          Statistics be damned. Regular season is what it is. 82 games to get to 97 pts more or less. After a few down years Phi has amassed enuf talent to play in the post season.
          now the real games begin. Good coaches push buttons and find ways to generate something from nothing. After a gift in game two and taking home ice advantage in the series the coach failed to find a way to leverage home ice. Not even close. In fact we regressed. Home ice is where you get your match ups where you get a chance to dictate the game. Phi laid an egg. We had a chance to evaluate where we were coming home with obvious deficiencies and no meaningful adjustments.....it's as if hak had hoped for 3 more miracles.........and I should say Pittsburgh is a 2 time SC champ so no shame in losing bit it is the manner and the lack of intentional thought that goes into losing....so here we are embarrassed as an organization and it is embarassing....you can't fire 20 players but you can change the culture via the coach....the culture is determined but determined in an inflexible and myopic manner.
          The org is headed is the right direction but hakstol is not the guy to take it or the next level.

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          • #6
            I think they need a no nonsense Coach. Someone who holds everyone accountable and can develop youth. There are a few out there.
            Pieces are in place for the future. We still need a top pairing defenseman and a scoring winger. Doesn't look like we are going to get anything from Free Agency or a trade due to our cap limitations. Development years ahead.

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            • #7
              I don't believe there's a modern NHL coach that holds everyone responsible. That plays all the right players all the time. That makes the right decision at every moment.

              And truthfully that's the microscope Hak is under. I do think it's time for him to go, this year...next year at the latest. That said a lot of people entertained by Laviolette's showmanship were blind to his faults for a long time.

              There is no right or perfect coach...just different.

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              • #8
                I see Hakstol as a guy who might have success his second time around..

                and I think we see this with a lot of college to pro coaches..not just NHL...many times they think that they can simply implement their style in the top leagues..and it seldom works..sometimes it does...most often not...

                whereas if you select a guy who "grew up" in the pro ranks.. example: Player/intern/specialist/asst/HC etc...he doesn't even have to be a former player

                he knows the 'game' and the level of competition/intensity at this level from the start..he knows that what worked yesterday must be thrown out for tomorrow...

                college coaches serve in a different capacity..in a way they are surrogate parents to their athlete...in the pros these guys are adults, so to speak..so the dynamic is completely different

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rev_Bully View Post
                  I don't believe there's a modern NHL coach that holds everyone responsible. That plays all the right players all the time. That makes the right decision at every moment.

                  And truthfully that's the microscope Hak is under. I do think it's time for him to go, this year...next year at the latest. That said a lot of people entertained by Laviolette's showmanship were blind to his faults for a long time.

                  There is no right or perfect coach...just different.
                  I agree. And Laviolette's history is that he doesn't last too long in any one place. He burns out after a few years, though he can be very successful during those few years. When he left, it was time for him to go. He had lost the team. Actually, it should have been done in the offseason not a few games into the next season.

                  And yes, there is no perfect coach. You just have to find someone who is the best fit and can push the right buttons with the players we have. As I said before, I like Tippett. I'm sure there are a few guys who would fit the bill.
                  Mike Barr, Founder

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lynchmob450 View Post
                    Hakstol has removed all emotional components from his team, something most teams rely on at this time of the year. And I don't think that is by chance...I sense that he doesn't believe that emotions impact the performance/success of teams.

                    I'm sick and tired of seeing a coach who shows no emotions...be it positive or negative...and I am hopeful he is digging his own grave this playoff season (so while we lose...we actually win).

                    That being said, I do hope that Hexy unloads one or two big names and goes aggressive for Tavares. Trade Jake and Simmer to western teams...acquire young talent. Then take the cap savings and bring in Tavares.
                    This ^

                    We are the softest, most emotionless team I've ever seen. Gutless, with zero pushback.

                    Teams take the personality of their coach. There is little doubt that Stone Cold Dave Hakstol has sucked the life out of this group. His "act" behind the bench might work with a bunch of college kids, but it's a farce at the NHL level. The man is way over his head and hasn't shown a single thing tactically or emotionally that could elevate a team. Nothing....

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